Linux: Version 12 Ham Radio CD has been released

[Andy]

Hi Everybody,

I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge. This CD is a remix of Ubuntu 11.10 with lots of ham radio software included. For this version, I've added the HF propagation program VOACAP, as well as an automounter for your thumb drive, and updates to your favorite Fldigi (and the entire Fl family of programs).

This CD is designed for older computers and uses applications that are lighter on system resources while still decently functional and without an "antique" appearance. The recommended minimum requirements are a 1GHz processor and about 512MB of memory (and more is better!).

Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your friends!

Have a lot of fun, and 73,

Andy
KB1OIQ




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[Andy]

Hi Everybody,

It probably would have been nice of me to tell you how to actually find the CD on Sourceforge. My apologies!

http://www.sourceforge.net
In the search box, type "KB1OIQ"
You should see this:

KB1OIQ - Andy's Ham Radio Linux CD

Click on that link or the "Download Now" button.

Enjoy!

Andy
KB1OIQ





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[Dave Cole]

Thank you Andy!!!
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Post by Andy
Hi Everybody,
It probably would have been nice of me to tell you how to actually find the CD on Sourceforge. My apologies!
http://www.sourceforge.net
In the search box, type "KB1OIQ"
KB1OIQ - Andy's Ham Radio Linux CD
Click on that link or the "Download Now" button.
Enjoy!
Andy
KB1OIQ
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[Andy]

Post by Dave Cole
Thank you Andy!!!

Dave, you win the award for being the first person to actually say those very kind words - "Thank you". :-)

Alright, technically you wrote them, but you know what I mean!

You're most welcome!

Have a lot of fun, and 73,

Andy





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[IZ1TGH Roberto Waha]

Hi Andy!

Post by Andy
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http://www.sourceforge.net
In the search box, type "KB1OIQ"
KB1OIQ - Andy's Ham Radio Linux CD
Click on that link or the "Download Now" button.

I'm downloading it right now and will give it a try.
Thanks in advance for the nice job!

73 de IZ1TGH

[rOn]

This may be old news for some but new to me.  I guess its back to Windows unless someone can point
me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older machines.

rOn

[David A. Ranch]

Hello Ron,

Yup.. most distributions are now requiring the CPU that support PAE
(Physical Address Extensions) (Ubuntu, Centos6, etc). There is lots of
documentation on how to work around the issue but at this point, you are
going to be fighting a loosing battle:


http://www.webupd8.org/2012/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-1204-on-non-pae.html

--David

This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back to
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rOn

[Bob Nielsen]

If you have the previous version, 12.04.1 LTS, it will continued to be supported for quite a while (LTS=long-term support). There are several older versions which are still available <http://releases.ubuntu.com>.

Bob N7XY

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rOn

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[Ed]

This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back to
Windows unless someone can point me to a Linux distro that will
continue to support older machines.
rOn

Puppy, Debian Stable That is the 2 that come to mind. I would choose
Puppy myself. On Dave's web page are instructions for Puppy and
fldigi....etc. I ran Puppy on a 900mhz laptop with 512 in ram without a
problem.

Ed W3NR


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[Marty Hartwell]

HI

I have an older Dell with only half a gig of memory and had some
trouble with the 12.04 Ubuntu working right. I loaded Xubutu 12.04
on it and it is working fine. However I think I will have to add
some more memory to bring it up to at least a full gig for future
use if I want to continue with plain Ubuntu. However since I have
loaded Xubuntu I have found I like it a lot and have it on my laptop
too, that has 2 gig but with having to PC's with the same OS makes
life easier on me.

Marty

This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back to
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me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older machines.
rOn

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[rOn]

Gentlemen

I want to thank all who responded with good information.

My 3 D400's are hardly "online" and are used mainly for EMCOM.
Therefore I will continue to use XUBUNTU at 12.08.

My concern is that developers of software will not continue to to create and/or
enhance applications that will run on older hardware and OS's.

XUBUNTU (UBUNTU) 12.08 will be supported until 2014 and maybe by then the D400's will
be "dead"!

Again thanks for the wealth of information and opinions.

rOn

ps- Maybe what hams need is our own computer with our own maintained OS.

[Andy]

Post by rOn
ps- Maybe what hams need is our own computer with our own maintained OS.

We've already got it... it's called Linux. It's open source so you can change it about if it doesn't do what you want.

Andy
MM0FMF

[dor937]

I've installed Lubuntu on the 1st version of the EeePC from ASUS. Surprisingly, it runs very well! All the usually troublesome stuff (sound, camera, WiFi...) just worked out of the box.

Also installed Lubuntu on a Toshiba NB305 netbook - runs real quick there!

Try it

Dave Rowell - N4HHL





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[Highlandham ,GM0CSZ]

Can confirm that Lubuntu (still 10.4) runs wells on my eeePC901 installed
on its 8GB SSD.
Although Ubuntu and Linux Mint are equally good , Lubuntu is still my
favourite for use on older hardware.
Lubuntu is my recommendation for any Windows user to switch to Linux.
I always have a Lubuntu 10.4 and 12.4 disc with me when away from home and
have made some people to try Linux, but not large numbers .
Most people still perceive that FREE software canŽt be as good as software
you have to pay for.
Hopefully with Windows 8 imminent ,more people will switch to
Linux.......wait & see.

Frank in northern Scotland

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Surprisingly, it runs very well! All the usually troublesome stuff (sound,
camera, WiFi...) just worked out of the box.
Also installed Lubuntu on a Toshiba NB305 netbook - runs real quick there!
Try it
Dave Rowell - N4HHL

[j***@public.gmane.org]

I've never tried it, but is "Damn Small Linux" still out there?




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[Dave Cole]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=damn+small+linux

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I've never tried it, but is "Damn Small Linux" still out there?
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[Marty Hartwell]

Yes, and a Google search will find it. I works good on PC's light on
memory and processor speed.

Marty

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This is the fastest Ubuntu on the planet: http://www.puppylinux.com/

Post by Marty Hartwell
Yes, and a Google search will find it. I works good on PC's light on
memory and processor speed.
Marty

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I've never tried it, but is "Damn Small Linux" still out there?

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[ROBERT FAREY]

Hi the problem is nvidia graphics which is what the issue is here if it works it works and if it doesn't it simply doesn't. nothing will make it work as nvidia does not like supporting any linux software. best regards Robert.




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To: linuxham-***@public.gmane.org
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Subject: [linuxham] Re: UBUNTU 12.10 no longer supports my DELL D400!


 
This is the fastest Ubuntu on the planet: http://www.puppylinux.com/

Post by Marty Hartwell
Yes, and a Google search will find it. I works good on PC's light on
memory and processor speed.
Marty

Post by j***@public.gmane.org
I've never tried it, but is "Damn Small Linux" still out there?

[j***@public.gmane.org]

Post by ROBERT FAREY
Hi the problem is nvidia graphics which is what the issue is here if it works it works and if it doesn't it simply doesn't. nothing will make it work as nvidia does not like supporting any linux software. best regards Robert.

Ah, yes, we ran into that at W5YM which has a couple of old Dell
machines - I don't know offhand which model number. Someone upgraded
the Ubuntu version and we lost X because the Nvidia in the late
version doesn't support the Nvidia equipment in the old machines.
Nobody in the group had the knowledge of time to figure that out,
so we just reinstalled an older version.




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[Adrian]

Post by ROBERT FAREY
Hi the problem is nvidia graphics which is what the issue is here if
it works it works and if it doesn't it simply doesn't. nothing will
make it work as nvidia does not like supporting any linux software.
best regards Robert.
I run fedora fc17 on a D400 at work, no issues at all. With nvidia pd
install (akmod meth) the dracut rebuild of boot image is necessary.
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Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 14:44
Subject: [linuxham] Re: UBUNTU 12.10 no longer supports my DELL D400!
This is the fastest Ubuntu on the planet: http://www.puppylinux.com/

Post by Marty Hartwell
Yes, and a Google search will find it. I works good on PC's light on
memory and processor speed.
Marty

Post by j***@public.gmane.org
I've never tried it, but is "Damn Small Linux" still out there?

[Marty Hartwell]

HI Ron again
I should have also added that I have used Puppy on an even older machine
with only a 256 MB of RAM and loaded Fldigi for Puppy and it ran fine,
so if I ever find a cheap small laptop I will load it with Puppy and
that does fly. But with the limited RAM I try to only run one or two
applications at one time.

Marty kd8bj

This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back to
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[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

rOn,

You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the current
system you have.

The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It is very rare
that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.

One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of Debian and
Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to use the new
version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable with
earlier versions.

But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and bought a
deluxe old printer and used that.

I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.

73
David N1EA

This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back to Windows
unless someone can point
me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older machines.
rOn

[Dave Cole]

Hi,

Most updates are used to correct security issues, so it is not a good
idea to run any box on the Internet if it is not updated on a regular
basis. An example of this is a test we performed at work maybe 5 years
ago...

We put an unpatched, out of the box Windows 2000 machine on the
internet. We let it sit... Twenty minuets later it was sending spam...
No one touched it at the physical location... It was compromised in
under 20 minutes. It was unpatched. We also ran patched Windows 2000
machines on the net, and they in most cases did not get compromised...

Granted Linux is MUCH better, but an unpatched Linux box IS at risk if
it lives on the Internet.

All the windows XP users will be facing something like that scenario in
about a year and a half when Microsoft removes support for XP, including
Security updates...

For an interesting overview of how bad it is, see:
http://map.honeynet.org/
for a rather cool live map of some Internet attacks... This is just
what one group is detecting...
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Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
rOn,
You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the
current system you have.
The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It is very
rare that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.
One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of Debian
and Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to use the
new version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable
with earlier versions.
But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and bought
a deluxe old printer and used that.
I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.
73
David N1EA
This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back
to Windows unless someone can point
me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older machines.
rOn

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[D.J.J. Ring, Jr.]

Too bad, Windows XP is a quite good OS it uses memory very efficiently,
well, except for the crashes.

If you use modern hardware on it, it really flies fast.

I would like DOS with a GEM Desktop - you could cut and paste from
different programs with that.

Or maybe I just think I would like that. :-)

Someone should come out with Debian sources that would have the non-free
drivers for wifi cards and make a program like Ubuntu has jockey-gtk to
automatically detect drivers needed and install them.

Debian is very stable which is wonderful but it isn't ready out of the box
and I think there should be a variant that makes it ready for everything.

I don't know how automatically Debian MINT handles drivers but it seems to
be a step in the right direction.

Best to all,

David N1EA

Post by Dave Cole
Hi,
Most updates are used to correct security issues, so it is not a good
idea to run any box on the Internet if it is not updated on a regular
basis. An example of this is a test we performed at work maybe 5 years
ago...
We put an unpatched, out of the box Windows 2000 machine on the
internet. We let it sit... Twenty minuets later it was sending spam...
No one touched it at the physical location... It was compromised in
under 20 minutes. It was unpatched. We also ran patched Windows 2000
machines on the net, and they in most cases did not get compromised...
Granted Linux is MUCH better, but an unpatched Linux box IS at risk if
it lives on the Internet.
All the windows XP users will be facing something like that scenario in
about a year and a half when Microsoft removes support for XP, including
Security updates...
http://map.honeynet.org/
for a rather cool live map of some Internet attacks... This is just
what one group is detecting...
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https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/jt65

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
rOn,
You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the
current system you have.
The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It is very
rare that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.
One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of Debian
and Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to use the
new version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable
with earlier versions.
But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and bought
a deluxe old printer and used that.
I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.
73
David N1EA
This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess its back
to Windows unless someone can point
me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older machines.
rOn

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[Creede Lambard]

It's been years since I rolled my own kernel, but couldn't you just
custom-compile a kernel that doesn't include the PAE requirement?

The answer to this question could well be "no." Like I said I haven't
compiled a kernel in forever. I might just fire up a virtual machine and
put a current version of Gentoo on it to see if you can do that.

I also realize that kernel compilation isn't for everyone, and depending
on the hardware involved it could be a painful process even if you
compile kernels twice a day and three times on Sunday for fun. And it
could be that newer kernels have the PAE requirement baked in.

So I just thought I'd throw that out there.

73, Creede

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Too bad, Windows XP is a quite good OS it uses memory very
efficiently, well, except for the crashes.
If you use modern hardware on it, it really flies fast.
I would like DOS with a GEM Desktop - you could cut and paste from
different programs with that.
Or maybe I just think I would like that. :-)
Someone should come out with Debian sources that would have the
non-free drivers for wifi cards and make a program like Ubuntu has
jockey-gtk to automatically detect drivers needed and install them.
Debian is very stable which is wonderful but it isn't ready out of the
box and I think there should be a variant that makes it ready for
everything.
I don't know how automatically Debian MINT handles drivers but it
seems to be a step in the right direction.
Best to all,
David N1EA
Hi,
Most updates are used to correct security issues, so it is not a good
idea to run any box on the Internet if it is not updated on a regular
basis. An example of this is a test we performed at work maybe 5 years
ago...
We put an unpatched, out of the box Windows 2000 machine on the
internet. We let it sit... Twenty minuets later it was sending spam...
No one touched it at the physical location... It was compromised in
under 20 minutes. It was unpatched. We also ran patched Windows 2000
machines on the net, and they in most cases did not get compromised...
Granted Linux is MUCH better, but an unpatched Linux box IS at risk if
it lives on the Internet.
All the windows XP users will be facing something like that scenario in
about a year and a half when Microsoft removes support for XP, including
Security updates...
http://map.honeynet.org/
for a rather cool live map of some Internet attacks... This is just
what one group is detecting...
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rOn,
You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the
current system you have.
The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It

is very

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
rare that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.
One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of

Debian

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
and Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to

use the

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
new version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable
with earlier versions.
But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and

bought

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
a deluxe old printer and used that.
I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.
73
David N1EA
This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess

its back

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
to Windows unless someone can point
me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older
machines.
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Post by Creede Lambard
It's been years since I rolled my own kernel, but couldn't you just
custom-compile a kernel that doesn't include the PAE requirement?
The answer to this question could well be "no." Like I said I haven't
compiled a kernel in forever. I might just fire up a virtual machine and
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Take a look at Crunchbang (ya that's the name). It's a Debian based
(currently squeeze with wheezy in the works). The key attribute of
Crunchbang is a small footprint and low demand on machine resources. I
use it on the original EeePC with great success. Because it is based on
Debian you have access to the package resources in the standard
repositories.

There also seems to be an active community supporting developments.

Here is the link
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Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Too bad, Windows XP is a quite good OS it uses memory very
efficiently, well, except for the crashes.
If you use modern hardware on it, it really flies fast.
I would like DOS with a GEM Desktop - you could cut and paste from
different programs with that.
Or maybe I just think I would like that. :-)
Someone should come out with Debian sources that would have the
non-free drivers for wifi cards and make a program like Ubuntu has
jockey-gtk to automatically detect drivers needed and install them.
Debian is very stable which is wonderful but it isn't ready out of the
box and I think there should be a variant that makes it ready for
everything.
I don't know how automatically Debian MINT handles drivers but it
seems to be a step in the right direction.
Best to all,
David N1EA
Hi,
Most updates are used to correct security issues, so it is not a good
idea to run any box on the Internet if it is not updated on a regular
basis. An example of this is a test we performed at work maybe 5 years
ago...
We put an unpatched, out of the box Windows 2000 machine on the
internet. We let it sit... Twenty minuets later it was sending spam...
No one touched it at the physical location... It was compromised in
under 20 minutes. It was unpatched. We also ran patched Windows 2000
machines on the net, and they in most cases did not get compromised...
Granted Linux is MUCH better, but an unpatched Linux box IS at risk if
it lives on the Internet.
All the windows XP users will be facing something like that scenario in
about a year and a half when Microsoft removes support for XP, including
Security updates...
http://map.honeynet.org/
for a rather cool live map of some Internet attacks... This is just
what one group is detecting...
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rOn,
You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the
current system you have.
The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It

is very

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
rare that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.
One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of

Debian

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
and Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to

use the

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
new version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable
with earlier versions.
But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and

bought

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
a deluxe old printer and used that.
I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.
73
David N1EA
This may be old news for some but new to me. I guess

its back

Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
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me to a Linux distro that will continue to support older
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Lubuntu is an Ubuntu-based distribution which uses the lightweight LXDE
desktop environment, as opposed to Ubuntu's attractive but increasingly
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versions has recommended you have at least 512MB RAM. Lubuntu, on the
other hand, can run in 128MB RAM, but I'd recommend at least 256MB.

A big advantage of Lubuntu is that it's based on Ubuntu, so you have
access to Ubuntu's comprehensive support forums and compatible software.
What's surprising about Lubuntu is how attractive it is, especially
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The default browser is Chromium, the open source browser on which
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have the lightweight Abiword and Gnumeric packages, which may not be as
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[G. Poulos]

I've been a long time Linux user and use Linux as my primary desktop..

Recently I installed Ubuntu 11.04 on a dedicated laptop for logging as
well as other ham radio activities while portable.. I replaced the old
obsolete hard drive technology with a brand new SSD drive which resulted
in a massive boost in performance and battery life.. well that is as
long as I'm not running cqrlog with rig control..

I was so impressed with the SSD in the laptop that I decided to replace
the aging/obsolete hard drive technology in my desktop with a brand new
SSD drive as well.. This new drive terminology is not without drawbacks
and it does require some changes to the somewhat old fashion wasteful
way we are accustom to doing certain things. For example unnecessary
logging and writes to the SSD drive..

In an attempt to decrease wear and tear on the SSD drive and to increase
battery life I started searching for misbehaving applications which were
unnecessarily writing to the hard disk and/or SSD..

It turns out that rigctld and cqrlog are gross offenders in this regard
and seem to be constantly and excessively flooding the .xsession-errors
file with tons of spurious data and errors messages....

So much data that after 48 hours of running with the Dxcluster, rig
control and band-map enabled in cqrlog my .xsession-errors file was well
over 100mb in size. Reducing the rig control polling rate lowered the
amount of data being written to the .xsession-errors file but in my
opinion it's still excessive not to mention it did nothing to reduce the
excessive amount of data being written regarding the DXcluster and
band-map. For comparison running grig with rigctld produced very little
if any data written to .xession-errors

Is it really necessary for applications to write every single error and
all internal application activity to a log file or can this be enabled
only when trouble shooting is necessary. I guess what I'm asking Is
there a means of disabling all this unnecessary data being written to
.xsession-errors which rigctld and CQrlog are responsible for..

If not, is there a way of redirecting output to .xsession-errors to
/dev/null or /var/log/$user.xsession-errors or better yet to a temp file
on a ram disk so a user can still tail the log when looking for possible
problems.

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Post by G. Poulos
Is it really necessary for applications to write every single error and
all internal application activity to a log file or can this be enabled
only when trouble shooting is necessary. I guess what I'm asking Is
there a means of disabling all this unnecessary data being written to
.xsession-errors which rigctld and CQrlog are responsible for..

This is not a main problem of rigctld or CQRLOG ...

Post by G. Poulos
If not, is there a way of redirecting output to .xsession-errors to

Look here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-edu-***@public.gmane.org/msg14226.html

This is an old story which have other software, too.

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Post by Thomas 'tom' Malkus

Post by G. Poulos
Is it really necessary for applications to write every single error and
all internal application activity to a log file or can this be enabled
only when trouble shooting is necessary. I guess what I'm asking Is
there a means of disabling all this unnecessary data being written to
.xsession-errors which rigctld and CQrlog are responsible for..

This is not a main problem of rigctld or CQRLOG ...

Post by G. Poulos
If not, is there a way of redirecting output to .xsession-errors to

This is an old story which have other software, too.
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Hi Tom;

Thanks for responding, I'm aware that this has been an ongoing issue
that should have been resolved a long time ago. Trust me I looked for a
solution prior to posting here. Not finding anything that I considered
workable I decided to finally tap the vast knowledge of this group to
see if we could find a solution.

The cost of SSD drives is plummeting and they are become very popular
as such issues like this are going to start generating a lot of interest
with people who use laptops or desktops with SSD drives.. It just inst
necessary to continually write small amounts of useless data to a users
HD. While this level of logging might make sense on a server it's
completely overkill and totally unnecessary on the average users desktop
machine.

What I don't understand is why developers of GUI based applications
knowing that this problem still exists insist on writing applications in
a way that report errors using this archaic method. The simple fact is
very few users will ever see those messages. It just seems that common
logic would dictate that GUI based applications would report errors to
the user via the GUI..

For example cqrlog is currently not working correctly with rigctld and
as such rigctld is generating a constant stream of "command not found
errors" which are all being written to .xsession-errors...

This is compounded by the fact that cqrlog is also logging every single
time it polls the radio. This is literally filling up the
.xsession-errors file. I've resorted to using a very long polling
interval simply to try and slow down the sheer number of errors being
generated.

Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing CQRLOG, I think its a great
application and I've been using it for quite some time. At this point
the only thing that I would like to see added is a few macro buttons or
a scroll back buffer for the DXcluster so that I could program in
cluster commands that I use frequently.

Anyhow modifying /etc/X11/Xsession to redirect the error file output to
/dev/null instead of .xsession-errors no longer seems to work in 11.04

Besides I'm not really sure I would care for that solution. My
preference would be to direct the output to a location of my own choice
such as a tmpfs, This way you could still tail the file for errors, Ram
is cheap and I'm one of those people who prefer that logs on production
systems be written to a small temporary ram disk instead of the users
directory. That way they are there if you need them for debugging but
automatically deleted when you reboot.

If that's not possible why can't Linux application developers as
standard practice start incorporating a switch that would allow the user
to completely turn off verbosity.

Anyhow thanks for taking the time to respond to my post
N6YG

[Thomas 'tom' Malkus]

Hi,

Post by G. Poulos
The cost of SSD drives is plummeting and they are become very popular
as such issues like this are going to start generating a lot of interest
with people who use laptops or desktops with SSD drives.. It just inst
necessary to continually write small amounts of useless data to a users
HD. While this level of logging might make sense on a server it's
completely overkill and totally unnecessary on the average users desktop
machine.

Absolutly right! But it is not such a problem for modern SSD drives with
wear-leveling to write a log. I have a 250Gig SSD as system drive in my
development system.

Post by G. Poulos
What I don't understand is why developers of GUI based applications
knowing that this problem still exists insist on writing applications
a way that report errors using this archaic method. The simple fact is

Oh, I think you misunderstood my last post ;-) Sorry, I don't write
often English articles ...

CQRLOG is written with FreePascal/Lazarus and uses the LCL for GUI
development. I think, the errors you see in .xsession-errors are errors
from that libs and not a debug/error message from the CQRLOG developer.

I installed CQRLOG with hamlib on my shack computer, a Linux Mint system
(LMDE, very small and fast). The only messages I see in .xsession-errors
are some errors like that: "Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message".

Post by G. Poulos
For example cqrlog is currently not working correctly with rigctld and
as such rigctld is generating a constant stream of "command not found
errors" which are all being written to .xsession-errors...

I mean, rigctld is not a X11 program and should never logged in
.xsession-errors.

Post by G. Poulos
This is compounded by the fact that cqrlog is also logging every single
time it polls the radio. This is literally filling up the
.xsession-errors file. I've resorted to using a very long polling
interval simply to try and slow down the sheer number of errors being
generated.

I can't see this messages with CQRLOG 1.5.1, rigctld 1.2.15.1 and a Knwd
TS-570D. What messages do you have in .xsession-errors and which version
of hamlib and CQRLOG do you use? Have you tried to start CQRLOG at console?

Post by G. Poulos
Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing CQRLOG, I think its a great
application and I've been using it for quite some time. At this point
the only thing that I would like to see added is a few macro buttons or
a scroll back buffer for the DXcluster so that I could program in
cluster commands that I use frequently.

Yes of course, the DX-Cluster implementation is quite simple. Have a
look at UCXLog, it runs fine with wine ;-)

Post by G. Poulos
If that's not possible why can't Linux application developers as
standard practice start incorporating a switch that would allow the user
to completely turn off verbosity.

Because, I mean this is not a problem of the application developer, it's
a problem of the development system. Have you ever seen such messages
from fldigi, which uses FLTK (a fantastic 'light' GUI lib) and could
also communicate with hamlib/rigctld?

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[Paul Bramscher]

Agreed there. I'm still running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Works perfectly with
my (fairly modern) hardware, and I prefer Gnome 2 over Gnome 3. Don't
need new kernel-level features, so long as I keep the same hardware.
Way I see it, the computer should work for me, not vice-versa. Dealing
with upgrade issues, re-installing everything, learning new UI's, etc.
is not a way I like to spend my limited time.

If/when I'm forced to upgrade, it looks like it'll be Debian.

(We already see evidence -- lots of Windows XP still out there -- that
people are tempering their views. The upgrade-for-its-own-sake mania
isn't sustainable in most business environments either.)

My main Linux box's sole purpose is to run GPredict, fldigi/etc.,
Stellarium and a few other packages. They all work great, and that's
the way I like to keep it. :-)

73
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Post by D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
rOn,
You will probably find all the software you will ever need on the
current system you have.
The Upgrade, Upgrade, Upgrade! March is highly overrated. It is very
rare that an upgrade makes any difference whatsoever.
One thing to watch though is printers. I use an HP printer and mine
failed, so I bought a new one. I had to upgrade my version of Debian
and Ubuntu (I have one computer on each) because hplip had to use the
new version and the new version had libraries that were incompatable
with earlier versions.
But that doesn't mean I could have done some research first and bought a
deluxe old printer and used that.
I even have a computer running Windows 3.11 with networking.
73
David N1EA

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(We already see evidence -- lots of Windows XP still out there -- that
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But it keeps the revenue stream flowing for Microsoft.
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Andy,



Many thanks for your efforts. I'm already enjoying it.



73,



Kirk, K6KAR



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Subject: [linuxham] Linux: Version 12 Ham Radio CD has been released





Hi Everybody,

I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge.
This CD is a remix of Ubuntu 11.10 with lots of ham radio software included.
For this version, I've added the HF propagation program VOACAP, as well as
an automounter for your thumb drive, and updates to your favorite Fldigi
(and the entire Fl family of programs).

This CD is designed for older computers and uses applications that are
lighter on system resources while still decently functional and without an
"antique" appearance. The recommended minimum requirements are a 1GHz
processor and about 512MB of memory (and more is better!).

Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default
version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your
friends!

Have a lot of fun, and 73,

Andy
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[mni12]

Hi Andy

Thanks for this update, I will check this out.

It was nice to see you in Burlington on Friday.

73
Mauri AG1LE

Post by Andy
Hi Everybody,
I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge. This CD is a remix of Ubuntu 11.10 with lots of ham radio software included. For this version, I've added the HF propagation program VOACAP, as well as an automounter for your thumb drive, and updates to your favorite Fldigi (and the entire Fl family of programs).
This CD is designed for older computers and uses applications that are lighter on system resources while still decently functional and without an "antique" appearance. The recommended minimum requirements are a 1GHz processor and about 512MB of memory (and more is better!).
Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your friends!
Have a lot of fun, and 73,
Andy
KB1OIQ

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[Jeff Herhold]

Hi Andy!

Found it by searching for Ham Radio CD. It is downloading now.

Thanks Andy!

Jeff
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[Lee T. Davy - Cool Games]

After a week of googling, probing and apt-getting

I got WifI working with HP Mini 110 1125 nr

Thing needed network manager removed and install low power PHY chips set drivers

So I guess this worked to fix all my WiFi issues:

apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
apt-get remove network-manager
apt-get --purge autoremove
/etc/init.d/wicd restart


Thanks, Andy !
Now I am off to fix sound and add USB SignaLink
See you next Meet Up!

Post by Andy
Hi Everybody,
I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge.
Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your friends!
Have a lot of fun, and 73,
Andy
KB1OIQ

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[Lee T. Davy - Cool Games]

So internal sound OUT works
add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa
add-apt-repository ppa:team-iquik/alsa

add options snd-hda-intel model=ref

pico /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf


But your example made me INCORRECTLY assume aplay command line could output mp3
but I used mpg123 and mplayer instead !
Once I did that then all could be heard !

Now on to fldigi & SignaLink

Thanks again

Post by Lee T. Davy - Cool Games
After a week of googling, probing and apt-getting
I got WifI working with HP Mini 110 1125 nr
Thing needed network manager removed and install low power PHY chips set drivers
apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
apt-get remove network-manager
apt-get --purge autoremove
/etc/init.d/wicd restart
Thanks, Andy !
Now I am off to fix sound and add USB SignaLink
See you next Meet Up!

Post by Andy
Hi Everybody,
I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge.
Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your friends!
Have a lot of fun, and 73,
Andy
KB1OIQ

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[daverickmers]

You have to be careful with modern video "cards". Most HDMI video cards also have onboard multichannel sound chips which load on startup and mess with other audio functions. dave kd6il

Post by Lee T. Davy - Cool Games
So internal sound OUT works
add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa
add-apt-repository ppa:team-iquik/alsa
add options snd-hda-intel model=ref
pico /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
But your example made me INCORRECTLY assume aplay command line could output mp3
but I used mpg123 and mplayer instead !
Once I did that then all could be heard !
Now on to fldigi & SignaLink
Thanks again

Post by Lee T. Davy - Cool Games
After a week of googling, probing and apt-getting
I got WifI working with HP Mini 110 1125 nr
Thing needed network manager removed and install low power PHY chips set drivers
apt-get install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
apt-get remove network-manager
apt-get --purge autoremove
/etc/init.d/wicd restart
Thanks, Andy !
Now I am off to fix sound and add USB SignaLink
See you next Meet Up!

Post by Andy
Hi Everybody,
I've just released Version 12 of my Linux and Ham Radio CD on Sourceforge.
Version 11 had about 675 downloads in the 3.5 months that it was the default version. Thank you very much for your interest in this CD! Please tell your friends!
Have a lot of fun, and 73,
Andy
KB1OIQ

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