Lubuntu upgrade failure (sort of)

[g8kbvdave-gM/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

OK.

As an experiment as much as anything, on a non critical PC, after kicking Lubuntu 13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental updates, I was left looking at the announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.

After a clean boot to make sure all was well, and checking that there was nothing I "Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked off the "Upgrade"...

After many hours (mainly because I walked away and left it, but found it needed a few confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed, so I let it reboot.

Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the password that it accepts, and eventualy settles down, but to a black screen with just a mouse pointer, that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything.

No desktop background, no toolbar, no icons/links. But, if you momenteraly press the (hardware) power button, it does an orderly shutdown just fine. From the flickering telltale lights, the wifi is working too.

Other than try and find a non PAE install of 14.x that fits on a CD and do a clean install from scratch, is there any practical way to recover a working desktop? I know the passwords, but had not specifically set it up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.

I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild stuff like the Fl-suite from sources, and a few others, but this is odd.


Ideas anyone? Before it gets flattened and wiped with something else? (Yes, I have looked at the Ubuntu support list, clear as mud!)



73


Dave G0WBX. (Off outside while the weather is nice.)

[Larry Levesque [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Can you get to a terminal using <CTRL><ALT><F1> through <F6> combination
keys?

If so, you can possibly correct it that way.

I have honestly given up on Ubuntu as there has been issues updating
from ~ 8.04 onwards.

So, now my distro of choice is Manjaro XFCE.
This is a rolling release, so no more new versions to install.
As long as you are updating, you have the latest version.
And on top of that, it is pretty close to the old "Gnome 2" style
desktop (my favorite desktop).

Good luck with your Ubuntu.

Post by g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
OK.
As an experiment as much as anything, on a non critical PC, after
kicking Lubuntu 13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental updates, I
was left looking at the announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.
After a clean boot to make sure all was well, and checking that there
was nothing I "Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked off the
"Upgrade"...
After many hours (mainly because I walked away and left it, but found
it needed a few confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed, so I let it
reboot.
Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the password that it accepts,
and eventualy settles down, but to a black screen with just a mouse
pointer, that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything.
No desktop background, no toolbar, no icons/links. But, if you
momenteraly press the (hardware) power button, it does an orderly
shutdown just fine. From the flickering telltale lights, the wifi is
working too.
Other than try and find a non PAE install of 14.x that fits on a CD
and do a clean install from scratch, is there any practical way to
recover a working desktop? I know the passwords, but had not
specifically set it up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.
I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild stuff like the Fl-suite
from sources, and a few others, but this is odd.
Ideas anyone? Before it gets flattened and wiped with something
else? (Yes, I have looked at the Ubuntu support list, clear as mud!)
73
Dave G0WBX. (Off outside while the weather is nice.)

[Tom Bewick [e-mail] [linuxham]]

I have found doing upgrades of a release does not usually go well,
regardless of the disto, unless you are using a rolling release one, but
even those have issues at times breaking packages etc... from time to time.
Many distros actually will caution you against doing upgrades of versions
and instead recommend you just do a clean install of each new one, even if
they do give instructions on how to do an upgrade in their wiki or manual.
I find backing up my home folder and files to an external drive and then
doing a clean install the best way to upgrade to new version release,
currently I am using Debian Jessie.
73,
Tom k2bew

Post by Larry Levesque ka1vgm-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Can you get to a terminal using <CTRL><ALT><F1> through <F6> combination
keys?
If so, you can possibly correct it that way.
I have honestly given up on Ubuntu as there has been issues updating from
~ 8.04 onwards.
So, now my distro of choice is Manjaro XFCE.
This is a rolling release, so no more new versions to install.
As long as you are updating, you have the latest version.
And on top of that, it is pretty close to the old "Gnome 2" style desktop
(my favorite desktop).
Good luck with your Ubuntu.
OK.
As an experiment as much as anything, on a non critical PC, after kicking
Lubuntu 13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental updates, I was left
looking at the announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.
After a clean boot to make sure all was well, and checking that there was
nothing I "Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked off the "Upgrade"...
After many hours (mainly because I walked away and left it, but found it
needed a few confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed, so I let it reboot.
Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the password that it accepts, and
eventualy settles down, but to a black screen with just a mouse pointer,
that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything.
No desktop background, no toolbar, no icons/links. But, if you
momenteraly press the (hardware) power button, it does an orderly shutdown
just fine. From the flickering telltale lights, the wifi is working too.
Other than try and find a non PAE install of 14.x that fits on a CD and do
a clean install from scratch, is there any practical way to recover a
working desktop? I know the passwords, but had not specifically set it
up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.
I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild stuff like the Fl-suite from
sources, and a few others, but this is odd.
Ideas anyone? Before it gets flattened and wiped with something
else? (Yes, I have looked at the Ubuntu support list, clear as mud!)
73
Dave G0WBX. (Off outside while the weather is nice.)
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*KA1VGM Larry Levesque*

[Anthony Scandurra [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Dave,

Either something in your personal environment isn't liked by the new
version of LXDE or X -or- X itself is hosed and needs to be reconfigured.

To get to a command prompt -> Ctrl + Alt + F1-6. Ctrl + Alt + F7 will bring
you back to X.

Once at a command prompt, log in as yourself and check your
/var/log/Xorg.0.log file for errors. Also check your dot files in your
home directory, especially your ~/.xsession-errors file.

Hope that helps lead you to a solution.

73, Tony K4QE

Post by g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
OK.
As an experiment as much as anything, on a non critical PC, after kicking
Lubuntu 13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental updates, I was left
looking at the announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.
After a clean boot to make sure all was well, and checking that there was
nothing I "Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked off the "Upgrade"...
After many hours (mainly because I walked away and left it, but found it
needed a few confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed, so I let it reboot.
Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the password that it accepts, and
eventualy settles down, but to a black screen with just a mouse pointer,
that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything.
No desktop background, no toolbar, no icons/links. But, if you
momenteraly press the (hardware) power button, it does an orderly shutdown
just fine. From the flickering telltale lights, the wifi is working too.
Other than try and find a non PAE install of 14.x that fits on a CD and do
a clean install from scratch, is there any practical way to recover a
working desktop? I know the passwords, but had not specifically set it
up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.
I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild stuff like the Fl-suite from
sources, and a few others, but this is odd.
Ideas anyone? Before it gets flattened and wiped with something else?
(Yes, I have looked at the Ubuntu support list, clear as mud!)
73
Dave G0WBX. (Off outside while the weather is nice.)

['Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF]' peter-pvHko7nTzl9knbxzx/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Either
something in your personal environment isn't liked by
the new version of LXDE or X -or- X itself is hosed
and needs to be reconfigured.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">To
get to a command prompt -&gt; Ctrl + Alt + F1-6. </span><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Ctrl
+ Alt + F7 will bring you back to X.</span><br>
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<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Once at a
command prompt, log in as yourself and check your
/var/log/Xorg.0.log file for errors.  Also check
your dot files in your home directory, especially
your ~/.xsession-errors file.</font></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font
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</font></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font
face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hope that helps
lead you to a solution.</font></span></div>
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<p>OK.<br>
<br>
As an experiment as much as anything, on a
non critical PC, after kicking Lubuntu
13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental
updates, I was left looking at the
announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.<br>
<br>
After a clean boot to make sure all was
well, and checking that there was nothing I
"Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked
off the "Upgrade"...<br>
<br>
After many hours (mainly because I walked
away and left it, but found it needed a few
confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed,
so I let it reboot.<br>
<br>
Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the
password that it accepts, and eventualy
settles down, but to a black screen with
just a mouse pointer, that moves about, but
otherwise doesn't do anything.<br>
<br>
No desktop background, no toolbar, no
icons/links.    But, if you momenteraly
press the (hardware) power button, it does
an orderly shutdown just fine.   From the
flickering telltale lights, the wifi is
working too.<br>
<br>
Other than try and find a non PAE install of
14.x that fits on a CD and do a clean
install from scratch, is there any practical
way to recover a working desktop?    I know
the passwords, but had not specifically set
it up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.<br>
<br>
I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild
stuff like the Fl-suite from sources, and a
few others, but this is odd.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
<span></span></p>
<p>Ideas anyone?   Before it gets flattened
and wiped with something else?   (Yes, I
have looked at the Ubuntu support list,
clear as mud!)<br>
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On older systems just install 12.04 (or a derivative) and be
satisfied with it, when that no applies chuck that particular
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[John Nogatch [e-mail] [linuxham]]

... a black screen with just a mouse pointer, that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything. ...

I experience this symptom on an old Dell C400 running lubuntu 14.04,
after it goes to screensaver. The work-around is to hit CtrlAltF2,
which displays the "login:" prompt, and then hit CtrlAltF7 to return
to the graphics session.

This symptom occurs on a laptop with only 512MB RAM, but does not
occur on a similar laptop with 1GB RAM.

-John AC6SL


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[David Ranch [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Expanding on what Tony said, if you can get to a text terminal prompt
and login, I would recommend to try creating a new login with "adduser"
and "passwd". Once you have that new account created, you can either
reboot or alternatively, go back to Xwindows with Ctrl-Alt-F7 (sometimes
it's Ctrl-Alt-F9) and then hit Cntrl-Alt-Backspace to restart
Xwindows. At that point, try logging in with the new username and see
if that improves anything.

--David
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['Frank Dinger ,GM0CSZ' [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Dave , May I suggest you consider running only LTS versions of
(K)(L)(X)Ubuntu and do not upgrade but install the latest LTS version which
will be supported for 5 years anyway.

I always do that saving files I wish to keep ALSO on an external HD such
that these can be readily transferred to the šnewš version . Of course some
apps need to be re-installed .
The system is installed on 1 partition ,named :/ (root) + of course a
swap partition which equals the size of RAM. This is my KISS approach.

In this way I never have problems with installing the latest LTS version
of the Ubuntu family of distros and others like Linux Mint and Deepin (a
chinese distro).

FYI , with people dumping their older machines following Win XP ÂŽs end of
life , I recently was donated 2 complete Compac Presario desktop systems
from AD2003
With some additional RAM (cheaply bought on eBay) both systems ÂŽfly
againÂŽ with Lubuntu 14.04
Even the older Broadcom chipped USB Wifi dongles now work out of the box.

Frank , GM0CSZ / KN6WH in IO87at

Post by g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
OK.
As an experiment as much as anything, on a non critical PC, after kicking
Lubuntu 13.whatever LTS to do all it's incremental updates, I was left
looking at the announcemnt re Ubuntu 14.xx LTS is out.
After a clean boot to make sure all was well, and checking that there was
nothing I "Needed" to do on it anytime soon, I kicked off the "Upgrade"...
After many hours (mainly because I walked away and left it, but found it
needed a few confirmaiton inputs from me) it completed, so I let it reboot.
Well, it seems to boot cleanly, asks for the password that it accepts, and
eventualy settles down, but to a black screen with just a mouse pointer,
that moves about, but otherwise doesn't do anything.
No desktop background, no toolbar, no icons/links. But, if you
momenteraly press the (hardware) power button, it does an orderly shutdown
just fine. From the flickering telltale lights, the wifi is working too.
Other than try and find a non PAE install of 14.x that fits on a CD and do
a clean install from scratch, is there any practical way to recover a
working desktop? I know the passwords, but had not specifically set it
up to be ssh'd into from the LAN.
I was expecting to need to perhaps rebuild stuff like the Fl-suite from
sources, and a few others, but this is odd.
Ideas anyone? Before it gets flattened and wiped with something else?
(Yes, I have looked at the Ubuntu support list, clear as mud!)
73
Dave G0WBX. (Off outside while the weather is nice.)

['Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

I'll play again some later, this is still a learning curve for me, and I did realise
letting it do an in-place "Upgrade" was 50/50 going to lead to trouble, but heck,
that's how we learn, right?..

Interesting alternative distro's to look at too. Thanks again.


(Rant warning!)

As to PAE..

Why? When the hardware only suports 4Gig (if that) is PAE needed anyway? If
the whole Linux thing is now going to jump on the same hardware churn
bandwagon as MS et-all, that's a bad thing for landfill.

I'm no tree hugging enviro nut, but needing to swap out otherwise perfectly
healthy hardware just because of someone wanted to suport PAE (I have no
objection to that btw.) But to then make it a default with little to no option to
not have it, is barking mad.

As others have said. There is now a glut of older healthy very good spec non
PAE hardware out there, often very Ham friendly, with real COM and LPT ports, &
sometimes available for free.

If you evict the dust bunnies, max out the RAM to whatever the mobo will
support (and sometimes swop in a more 'nix friendly graphics card) replace a
grumbly fan or two, it will hapily run a fresh install of whatever non PAE OS you
can find very well indeed...

And will probably still be running well in another 10 years if needed. (Unlike
much of the current "lead free manufactured" dross being foisted on us now.)

Has anyone looked up the detailed spec for PAE support? Be amazed. It
reminds me of the camel joke, re designed by committee.

(Rant complete..)

73.

Dave G0WBX.





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[Andy [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I'm no tree hugging enviro nut, but needing to swap out otherwise perfectly
healthy hardware just because of someone wanted to suport PAE (I have no
objection to that btw.) But to then make it a default with little to no option to
not have it, is barking mad.

I'm missing something here... which CPU are you trying to use that doesn't have PAE?

PAE first appeared in 1995 on the Pentium Pro. So you should be able to run PAE software on Pentium Pro, PII, PIII P4, Core, Core 2, i3,5,7. It should also run fine on AMD Athlon or newer.

Is there really a need to run hardware from the dark ages if not as part of a computer history exhibit? If you really do want to waste power running stone age technology I have some PIII motherboards and 1GHz PIII (Coppermine) CPUs in the loft. That would at least bring you into using hardware from this century!

Andy
MM0FMF

['Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

1b. Re: Lubuntu upgrade failure (sort of)
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:09 am ((PDT))

Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I'm no tree hugging enviro nut, but needing to swap out otherwise
perfectly healthy hardware just because of someone wanted to suport
PAE (I have no objection to that btw.) But to then make it a
default with little to no

option to

Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
not have it, is barking mad.

I'm missing something here... which CPU are you trying to use that
doesn't have PAE?
PAE first appeared in 1995 on the Pentium Pro. So you should be able
to run PAE software on Pentium Pro, PII, PIII P4, Core, Core 2,
i3,5,7. It should also run fine on AMD Athlon or newer.
Is there really a need to run hardware from the dark ages if not as
part of a computer history exhibit? If you really do want to waste
power running stone age technology I have some PIII motherboards and
1GHz PIII (Coppermine) CPUs in the loft. That would at least bring you
into using hardware from this century!
Andy
MM0FMF

Without looking (I'm not at home just now) it's an Intel Celleron based laptop.
With a "Very" nice bright high res screen and a "Real" (not crappy "chiclet" type)
keyboard, now with 1G of RAM and *massive* 80G hard drive. (Originally only
had 20G drive, and 256M ram, and struggled to run XP.)

(The screen on that "Old" machine, is an order of magnitude easier on the eyes
than the modern works issue HP core i3 laptop fuzzy special. Yes, the graphics
are setup for it's "native" resolution, but it's still fuzzy. I didn't choose it.)

Before my "experiment" it ran Lubuntu 13.x.x just fine.

"Old" and underpowered the Celleron may be, compared to the overclocked
roomheaters that gamers use, but more than capable of running Fldigi, JT65 and
other HAM SDR stuff etc for days at a time and doing it well, while running one
or three other instances of Flrig etc too for other needs.

FYI, I run a couple of FreeBSD servers on old Compaq small format P1 desktop's,
no GUI, and they just sit there and do their job, quiet and cool, and rock solid.

The hardware is there, it's free, it's healthy, it's stable, so why bin it just because
someone doesn't give us the choice of using a lightweight but near mainstream
OS that gets security patches.

Anyway, as I have also learnt. Just because the CPU may support PAE, doesn't
mean the rest of the Mobo does!

GIVE US THE CHOICE... (Reading othe blogs, others have found, that PAE isn't
even needed/used after the OS installer has done it's thing! That's just mad.)

In the same way as I have one machine with a 64 bit AMD Athlon processor (also
NO PAE) but the companion hardware only suports up to 4G of RAM, so no
purpose whatsoever running a 64 bit OS on that, even though alegedly it could.
(That too, has a better screen and keyboard than it's more modern
replacements, and truly amazing built in speakers. It was also another low cost
ex Vista castoff.)

I want to "Use" the things, not sit there and continually mess with them all the
time, just to keep bang up to date. New is not always better than old,
especially in regards to security. THAT's been proven time and time again.

Speaking of "Security". Best I go see what the repaired 8kW microwave Pulse
amp is doing to my 500W load at 3% duty... I hear no beeps, nor see no
smoke.

73.

Dave G0WBX.



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Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]

1b. Re: Lubuntu upgrade failure (sort of)
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:09 am ((PDT))

Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I'm no tree hugging enviro nut, but needing to swap out otherwise
perfectly healthy hardware just because of someone wanted to suport
PAE (I have no objection to that btw.) But to then make it a
default with little to no

option to

Post by 'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
not have it, is barking mad.

I'm missing something here... which CPU are you trying to use that
doesn't have PAE?
PAE first appeared in 1995 on the Pentium Pro. So you should be able
to run PAE software on Pentium Pro, PII, PIII P4, Core, Core 2,
i3,5,7. It should also run fine on AMD Athlon or newer.
Is there really a need to run hardware from the dark ages if not as
part of a computer history exhibit? If you really do want to waste
power running stone age technology I have some PIII motherboards and
1GHz PIII (Coppermine) CPUs in the loft. That would at least bring you
into using hardware from this century!
Andy
MM0FMF

Without looking (I'm not at home just now) it's an Intel Celleron based laptop.

Ah, some Celeron M class device. I understand the screen issue. I binned
a P4Mobile 2GHz laptop as it was so terminally slow which was a shame as
it had a 1400x1050 display which was lovely. If you want better than
1368x768 you have to pay real money nowadays. As I have fewer tomorrows
than yesterdays to spend on this planet, waiting for PCs to save a few
pence is a waste of my life... unless I can get more tomorrows to spend,
I'll spend cash on a faster PC!

So what happens when you use "forcepae" on the boot command?


Andy
MM0FMF


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