Discussion:
new sound card from Timewave
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Richard Dowty w7eet-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 10:21:18 UTC
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There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET

Navigator Sound Card Modem



Navigator Sound Card Modem
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com Preview by Yahoo
Dave Wright hfradiopro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 14:02:50 UTC
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This is the former US Interface Navigator which ceased product a couple of years back. Timewave bought the design and rights from US Interface and has continued selling it. It costs a bit of $$$, but is worth it: integrated sound card, CAT, PTT, WinKey and true FSK all on one USB cable; GREAT support for Linux (plug it in and it just works), OS X (fully supported drivers), and Windows (fully supported drivers); built like tank; cable diagrams are provided so you can build your own to save $, or you can buy pre-made direct from Timewave.

This is a great product with a long history of excellent performance.

73


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Dave Wright
K3DCW

www.machamradio.com

“Real radio bounces off the sky"
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem (http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html)
Navigator Sound Card Modem (http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html)
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com (http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html)
Preview by Yahoo
Arnie w8du-WYrOkVUspZo@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 14:27:42 UTC
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Nice, but pricey!
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is
both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
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Charles Brabham n5pvl-eeV24iX8Xvtg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 16:41:08 UTC
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I noticed that the page that the link provided directs you to talks
about everything about the product - except the price.

That's always a dead giveaway that it's going to be way over-priced.

When I see everything except the price, I don't bother looking for it,
and move on.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Post by Arnie w8du-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Nice, but pricey!
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features.
It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
image <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
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Andy mm0fmf-PkbjNfxxIARBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 16:46:21 UTC
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Post by Charles Brabham n5pvl-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I noticed that the page that the link provided directs you to talks
about everything about the product - except the price.

Click the link marked "Sales/Prices" in the sidebar.

Andy
MM0FMF
Eric Struble yahoo-FFn+FugcB13R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 17:01:45 UTC
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Try $374.95 from AES…

http://www.aesham.com/digital-communications/aprs/timewave-navigator/


Eric, W7CSD
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
Navigator Sound Card Modem
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com
Preview by Yahoo
Charles Brabham n5pvl-eeV24iX8Xvtg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 17:55:37 UTC
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Yep, just like I expected... Utterly ridiculous.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Post by Eric Struble yahoo-FFn+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Try $374.95 from AES…
http://www.aesham.com/digital-communications/aprs/timewave-navigator/
Eric, W7CSD
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It
is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
image <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View onwww.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
Tom Bewick tombewick-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 20:11:53 UTC
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Isnt this a commercial type advertisement in the first place?
I thought unless someone was posting a piece of their own equipment for
sale this kind of thing was not allowed on the list?
Tom K2BEW
Post by Charles Brabham n5pvl-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Yep, just like I expected... Utterly ridiculous.
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Try $374.95 from AES...
http://www.aesham.com/digital-communications/aprs/timewave-navigator/
Eric, W7CSD
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is
both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
Ed autek-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 21:02:13 UTC
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Post by Tom Bewick tombewick-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Isnt this a commercial type advertisement in the first place?
I thought unless someone was posting a piece of their own equipment for
sale this kind of thing was not allowed on the list?
Tom K2BEW
This has not, nor ever will be a for sale list. There plenty of other
options for selling/buying equipment.

Personally I see nothing wrong with Rich's post. Passing along
information as he did has always been acceptable. The comments were also
acceptable.

Thanks 73

Ed W3NR

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Charles Brabham n5pvl-eeV24iX8Xvtg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:09:42 UTC
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Seems like it ought to be OK to mention new equipment that's available
and provide a link. - I don't see anything untoward about that at all.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Post by Tom Bewick tombewick-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Isnt this a commercial type advertisement in the first place?
I thought unlesssomeone was postinga pieceof their own equipment for
sale this kind of thing was not allowed on the list?
Tom K2BEW
Yep, just like I expected... Utterly ridiculous.
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Post by Charles Brabham n5pvl-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Try $374.95 from AES...
http://www.aesham.com/digital-communications/aprs/timewave-navigator/
Eric, W7CSD
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of
features. It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
image <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View onwww.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
Richard Dowty w7eet-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 23:12:21 UTC
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No I did this for a reason, one it will function with linux, and two it has a real cw keying with the rig and the software. Read the specs.
Rich/W7EET



On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:11 PM, "Tom Bewick tombewick-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]" <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:




Isnt this a commercial type advertisement in the first place?

I thought unlesssomeone was postinga pieceof their own equipment for sale this kind of thing was not allowed on the list?

Tom K2BEW
Post by Charles Brabham n5pvl-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Yep, just like I expected... Utterly ridiculous.
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
Try $374.95 from AES

http://www.aesham.com/digital-communications/aprs/timewave-navigator/
Eric, W7CSD
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
Navigator Sound Card Modem
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com Preview by Yahoo
Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 21:47:55 UTC
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If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying it...
I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw and rtty)
but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw and fsk of
the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a good buy,
IMHO, for the linux ham.
Post by Richard Dowty w7eet-/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
There is a new sound card from Timewave. It has lots of features. It is
both Linux and win supported for OS.
Rich/W7EET
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
[image: image] <http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Navigator Sound Card Modem
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
St. Paul, MN 55103-1856 USA
View on www.timewave.com
<http://www.timewave.com/support/Navigator/index.html>
Preview by Yahoo
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Geoff, NM7V
Seattle, WA
CN87tr
Ken wa8jxm-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:11:25 UTC
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If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying it... I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw and rtty) but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw and fsk of the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a good buy, IMHO, for the linux ham.
fldigi runs on linux as well as OS/X and Windows

Ken WA8JXM
Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:34:44 UTC
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Yes, but it only does modulated cw and afsk. This device has a keyer and
true fsk circuitry inside of it. My question was what native linux program
is there that would allow one to take advantage of those. I do remember
that there is flkey which would allow the keyer use, but know of no other
rtty program for true fsk use.
Post by Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying it...
I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw and rtty)
but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw and fsk of
the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a good buy,
IMHO, for the linux ham.
fldigi runs on linux as well as OS/X and Windows
Ken WA8JXM
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Geoff, NM7V
Seattle, WA
CN87tr
Eric Struble yahoo-FFn+FugcB13R7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:38:25 UTC
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I guess I need to apologize to someone for my previous post.
From the way I read the earlier reference to the Timewave interface, It sounded like someone was trying to share the new digital interface to the group and I read their comment as being frustrated about not knowing what the price was. All I did was a simple search on one of the many online vendors that sell Timewave products and give them an idea of what one could be purchased for.
I wasn’t trying to sell or review the product but offer some assistance to a fellow list-group member, if that is contrary to the rules of this group, I’ll just pack my bag and leave the group. I don’t know about the other members but I find it very helpful when someone shares a product (hardware or software) that will actually function on something other than Windoze.

Eric, W7CSD
Yes, but it only does modulated cw and afsk. This device has a keyer and true fsk circuitry inside of it. My question was what native linux program is there that would allow one to take advantage of those. I do remember that there is flkey which would allow the keyer use, but know of no other rtty program for true fsk use.
If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying it... I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw and rtty) but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw and fsk of the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a good buy, IMHO, for the linux ham.
fldigi runs on linux as well as OS/X and Windows
Ken WA8JXM
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Geoff, NM7V
Seattle, WA
CN87tr
Ed autek-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:50:34 UTC
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Post by Eric Struble yahoo-FFn+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I guess I need to apologize to someone for my previous post.
From the way I read the earlier reference to the Timewave
interface, It sounded like someone was trying to share the new
digital interface to the group and I read their comment as being
frustrated about not knowing what the price was. All I did was a
simple search on one of the many online vendors that sell Timewave
products and give them an idea of what one could be purchased for.
I wasn’t trying to sell or review the product but offer some
assistance to a fellow list-group member, if that is contrary to the
rules of this group, I’ll just pack my bag and leave the group. I
don’t know about the other members but I find it very helpful when
someone shares a product (hardware or software) that will actually
function on something other than Windoze.
Eric, W7CSD
It is not contrary to the rules. Actually the rules are very simple.
"Act like an adult"

So stick around....

Ed W3NR

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VA7OTC JD Erskine va7otc-FFYn/CNdgSA@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 22:57:31 UTC
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Post by Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying
it... I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw
and rtty) but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw
and fsk of the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a
good buy, IMHO, for the linux ham.
Hi Geoff et al

This other device/interface isn't new, however their sale price appears
to be. ($199 USD, a radio cable and other accessories included.)

microHAM III
http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid6.html

I have no involvement with its production, distribution or sales. Have
simply have been studying it and considering it as, like they say, "One
USB port for audio and Control." and ". . . Provides a "hard keyed" CW
output for software that generates only audio (sidetone) CW"

Cheers es 73, John VA7OTC


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Sholto Fisher sholto-QJIK+ORCaPvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-15 23:09:48 UTC
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And at the risk of sounding like a sales pitch (it isn't) anyone who has
a RIGblaster Advantage can also
turn MCW into a proper key pulse for CW using Fldigi (just put the
Advantage into VOX mode).
It won't however turn AFSK into an FSK signal...

73

Sholto
K7TMG
Post by VA7OTC JD Erskine va7otc-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Post by Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying
it... I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw
and rtty) but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw
and fsk of the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a
good buy, IMHO, for the linux ham.
Hi Geoff et al
This other device/interface isn't new, however their sale price appears
to be. ($199 USD, a radio cable and other accessories included.)
microHAM III
http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid6.html
I have no involvement with its production, distribution or sales. Have
simply have been studying it and considering it as, like they say, "One
USB port for audio and Control." and ". . . Provides a "hard keyed" CW
output for software that generates only audio (sidetone) CW"
Cheers es 73, John VA7OTC
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Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-16 00:30:25 UTC
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Thanks, John. Yes, Inhave seen the Microham USB Interface III and it does
seem like a better choice for linux/fldigi use as it has the pseudo-fsk
circuit (the same as what is laid out in the fldigi documentation) built
into it, unlike the navigator. Plus, it is at a lower price than the
navigator, even with the radio cable.
Post by VA7OTC JD Erskine va7otc-FFYn/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
Post by Geoff McAlpin geoff.nm7v-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
If the price for this thing wasn't so high I 'might' consider buying
it... I know I could use FLdigi for all the audio modes (including cw
and rtty) but what program would one use in linux to use the built-in cw
and fsk of the unit? If there isn't one, then it doesn't seem like a
good buy, IMHO, for the linux ham.
Hi Geoff et al
This other device/interface isn't new, however their sale price appears
to be. ($199 USD, a radio cable and other accessories included.)
microHAM III
http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid6.html
I have no involvement with its production, distribution or sales. Have
simply have been studying it and considering it as, like they say, "One
USB port for audio and Control." and ". . . Provides a "hard keyed" CW
output for software that generates only audio (sidetone) CW"
Cheers es 73, John VA7OTC
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Geoff, NM7V
Seattle, WA
CN87tr
'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-16 09:50:27 UTC
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Re: new sound card from Timewave
Date: Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:02 am ((PDT))
This is the former US Interface Navigator which ceased product a
couple of years back. Timewave bought the design and rights from US
Interface and has continued selling it. It costs a bit of $$$, but is
worth it: integrated sound card, CAT, PTT, WinKey and true FSK all on
one USB cable; GREAT support for Linux (plug it in and it just works),
OS X (fully supported drivers), and Windows (fully supported drivers);
built like tank; cable diagrams are provided so you can build your own
to save $, or you can buy pre-made direct from Timewave.
This is a great product with a long history of excellent performance.
73
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Dave Wright
K3DCW
Costs "a bit of $$$"? Nearly $350 US!

As to "This is a great product with a long history of excellent performance."

And a lot of RFI/EMC issues, in regards to RF getting into the TX audio, and/or
back into the PC. Just like other similar gadgets suffer from. As some would
say, classic "Pin 1" trouble. (Amazing, when you consider the intended use and
environment to be used in...)

Oh... And you need to do heck of a lot more than just use lead-free construction
to get a CE mark. No decleration of confomity could be found in the on-line
copy of the manual, as is legaly required to be marketed and sold in Europe.

The link to www.USinterface.com on page 28 is bad. Its just a blank page.

Nuff said.

Dave G0WBX.
(I do have one of the Timewave Antenna Noise Canceling devices. It works very
well when needed!)




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Dave Wright hfradiopro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-16 13:42:51 UTC
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Costs "a bit of $$$"? Nearly $350 US!
As to "This is a great product with a long history of excellent performance."
And a lot of RFI/EMC issues, in regards to RF getting into the TX audio, and/or
back into the PC. Just like other similar gadgets suffer from. As some would
say, classic "Pin 1" trouble. (Amazing, when you consider the intended use and
environment to be used in...)
Oh... And you need to do heck of a lot more than just use lead-free construction
to get a CE mark. No decleration of confomity could be found in the on-line
copy of the manual, as is legaly required to be marketed and sold in Europe.
The link to www.USinterface.com (http://www.USinterface.com) on page 28 is bad. Its just a blank page.
Nuff said.
Dave G0WBX.
(I do have one of the Timewave Antenna Noise Canceling devices. It works very
well when needed!)
The US Interface link is no good because you have the wrong link. It hasn’t been USinterface.com in years. Try http://www.navigator-interface.com, or better yet simply go to Timewave as they manufacture it now.

I’ve owned two of these units, and have used them in all types of RF environments, with two different rigs and with multiple computers running Linux, Windows (XP/7/8.1) and OS X and never have once had a RFI/EMC issue, including RF in the TX audio or PC. Never. Not once. Of course, anyone’s experience may vary, but I’d tend to chalk that up to the local (i.e., the operator’s) setup/situation rather than the device itself.

As far as CE mark, I can’t tell you whether they meet the requirement or not and it doesn’t matter to me as I don’t live in Europe. I suspect that since the Navigator has been in production for at least a decade, they were likely grandfathered in under any current rules, but as I said, I can’t speak for that with any certainty.




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Dave Wright
K3DCW

www.machamradio.com

“Real radio bounces off the sky"
'Dave B' g8kbvdave-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
2014-10-17 13:15:23 UTC
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Post by Dave Wright hfradiopro-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
The US Interface link is no good because you have the wrong link. It
hasn⬢t been USinterface.com in years. Try
http://www.navigator-interface.com, or better yet simply go to
Timewave as they manufacture it now.
The US Interface link is in their own documentation! As you'd say... Go Figure?
Post by Dave Wright hfradiopro-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
I⬢ve owned two of these units, and have used them in all types of RF
environments, with two different rigs and with multiple computers
running Linux, Windows (XP/7/8.1) and OS X and never have once had a
RFI/EMC issue, including RF in the TX audio or PC. Never. Not once. Of
course, anyone⬢s experience may vary, but I⬢d tend to chalk that
up to the local (i.e., the operator⬢s) setup/situation rather than
the device itself.
You probably have much better separation between your shack and antennas.
Many of us can't have that luxury sadly.
Post by Dave Wright hfradiopro-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
As far as CE mark, I can⬢t tell you whether they meet the
requirement or not and it doesn⬢t matter to me as I don⬢t live in
Europe. I suspect that since the Navigator has been in production for
at least a decade, they were likely grandfathered in under any current
rules, but as I said, I can⬢t speak for that with any certainty.
There is no such clause to "Grandfather" a product for CE compliance. That's
where a lot of small US (and other non EU) companies are failing in that respect.
Post by Dave Wright hfradiopro-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
--
Dave Wright
K3DCW
www.machamradio.com
â¬ÓReal radio bounces off the sky"
Indeed it does. Or off other things...

73

Dave G0WBX.
http://g8kbv.homeip.net:8008/Faros/ibp-at-wbx.html
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