Problem adding PPA in Mint 13LTS Mate

['Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

I tried adding Kamal's PPA and I get errors.

Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
404 Not Found
Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
404 Not Found
Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
404 Not Found
Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
404 Not Found


W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'multiversedeb/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)

W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found

W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found

W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found

W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found

E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $

Any ideas on how to fix this?

Thanks,
Mike kc9doa


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Posted by: "Mike Miller" <lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org>
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[Dave Wright [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Looks like wrong ppa address:

Kamal’s is ppa:kamalmostafa/fldigi

The Ubuntu Hams repository is ppa:ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa

--
Dave Wright
K3DCW

www.machamradio.com

“Real radio bounces off the sky"


On Saturday, October 4, 2014 at 15:54, 'Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:

>
> I tried adding Kamal's PPA and I get errors.
>
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
> 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'multiversedeb/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
>
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
> ***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike kc9doa
>

[Ed [e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 10/04/2014 03:54 PM, 'Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> I tried adding Kamal's PPA and I get errors.
>
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources 404 Not Found Err
> http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found Err
> http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources 404 Not Found Err
> http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found
>
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/Release
> Unable to find expected entry 'multiversedeb/source/Sources' in
> Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources
> 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages
> 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources
> 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages
> 404 Not Found
>
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or
> old ones used instead. ***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $
>
> Any ideas on how to fix this?
>
> Thanks, Mike kc9doa
>

Are these the directions you followed::

https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi

Ed W3NR







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['Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 4 Oct 2014 at 16:09, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:

>
> Are these the directions you followed::
>
> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi
>
> Ed W3NR

Yes.

I found references to similar errors, but no easy to follow
solution. One seemed to say that version of Ubuntu that Mint
Maya is based on is no longer supported, therefore no updates.
Another said the source list needs to be edited?


73
Mike kc9doa


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Posted by: "Mike Miller" <lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org>
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[Ed [e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 10/04/2014 06:04 PM, 'Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> On 4 Oct 2014 at 16:09, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
>
>>
>> Are these the directions you followed::
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi
>>
>> Ed W3NR
>
> Yes.
>
> I found references to similar errors, but no easy to follow
> solution. One seemed to say that version of Ubuntu that Mint
> Maya is based on is no longer supported, therefore no updates.
> Another said the source list needs to be edited?
>
>
> 73
> Mike kc9doa
>

Looking at your original post, I don't understand what you are trying to
do. Mint13 is based on Precise, not Maya. I'm not sure the reasoning
wanting to get the source files. If you are going to use the ppa, you
have no need for them. I would try again this time using the correct
version.

Actually looking at the drop down Maya isn't even listed as a choice.

Ed W3NR











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['Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

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[Ed [e-mail] [linuxham]]

> Hi Ed,
>
> Here is the whole bloody mess.
>
> ***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $ sudo add-apt-repository
> ppa:kamalmostafa/fldigi [sudo] password for mike: You are about to
> add the following PPA to your system: Latest upstream releases of
> W1HKJ's "Fldigi" digital amateur radio suite from http://w1hkj.com/
> built for several recent Ubuntu versions. This PPA supplies the
> packages: fldigi, flrig, flmsg, flwrap

This is the correct way to add the ppa::

http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu precise main

and this for Ubuntu-hams

http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu precise main

You are over looking this::

Technical details about this PPA and by not selecting Precise, your
system has no idea what to do but barf.

Ed

































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['Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 4 Oct 2014 at 23:07, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:

>
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu precise
> main
>
> and this for Ubuntu-hams
>
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu
> precise main
>
> You are over looking this::
>
> Technical details about this PPA and by not selecting Precise,
> your
> system has no idea what to do but barf.
>
> Ed

Thanks Ed,

I followed what the what was shown by clicking on
<https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html>
I later found the other information by clicking on a blank area
of the page below the (Read about installing) link.

I had looked at the sources in Synaptic and figured out that I
needed the info from "Technical details about this PPA" and
added that in the Synaptic source list.

The command line instructions didn't work for me.
"sudo apt-get update" didn't work for me, but probably will now
that I have edited the source list through Synaptic.

73
Mike kc9doa


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Posted by: "Mike Miller" <lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org>
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[David Jolley [e-mail] [linuxham]]

What is ppa?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 8:31 PM, 'Mike Miller' lists-2PxNX0V3za/QT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2014 at 19:48, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
>
> > Looking at your original post, I don't understand what you are
> > trying to
> > do. Mint13 is based on Precise, not Maya. I'm not sure the
> > reasoning
> > wanting to get the source files. If you are going to use the
> > ppa, you
> > have no need for them. I would try again this time using the
> > correct
> > version.
> >
> > Actually looking at the drop down Maya isn't even listed as a
> > choice.
> >
> > Ed W3NR
> Hi Ed,
>
> Here is the whole bloody mess.
>
> ***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kamalmostafa/fldigi
> [sudo] password for mike:
> You are about to add the following PPA to your system:
> Latest upstream releases of W1HKJ's "Fldigi" digital amateur radio suite from http://w1hkj.com/ built for several recent Ubuntu versions. This PPA supplies the packages: fldigi, flrig, flmsg, flwrap
>
> You may also be interested in the Ubuntu Hams Updates PPA, which contains updated versions of many additional ham radio packages:
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-hams-updates/+archive/ppa
> More info: https://launchpad.net/~kamalmostafa/+archive/ubuntu/fldigi
> Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it
>
> gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmpkpJeMD/secring.gpg' created
> gpg: keyring `/tmp/tmpkpJeMD/pubring.gpg' created
> gpg: requesting key F37F3AB0 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
> gpg: /tmp/tmpkpJeMD/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
> gpg: key F37F3AB0: public key "Launchpad fixes for aprsd" imported
> gpg: Total number processed: 1
> gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)
> OK
> ***@mike-GA-MA785GM-US2H ~ $ sudo apt-get update
> Hit http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya Release.gpg
> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security Release.gpg [198 B]
> Hit http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya Release
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg
> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release.gpg [198 B]
> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security Release [50.7 kB]
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release
> Hit http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/main i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg
> Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release.gpg [198 B]
> Hit http://archive.canonical.com precise Release.gpg
> Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release [98.7 kB]
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya Release.gpg
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya Release.gpg
> Hit http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/upstream i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise Release
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/main TranslationIndex
> Get:6 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/main i386 Packages [458 kB]
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/upstream TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.canonical.com precise Release
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya Release
> Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release [98.7 kB]
> Hit http://archive.canonical.com precise/partner i386 Packages
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya Release
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/main Sources
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/restricted Sources
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/universe Sources
> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/multiverse Sources
> Get:8 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/main Sources [479 kB]
> Ign http://archive.canonical.com precise/partner TranslationIndex
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main TranslationIndex
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/main Translation-en_US
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main TranslationIndex
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/main Translation-en
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/upstream Translation-en_US
> Ign http://mirror.team-cymru.org maya/upstream Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/main i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/restricted i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/universe i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/multiverse i386 Packages
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/main TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/multiverse TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/restricted TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/universe TranslationIndex
> Get:9 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/restricted i386 Packages [4,620 B]
> Get:10 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/universe i386 Packages [104 kB]
> Get:11 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/main i386 Packages [868 kB]
> Get:12 http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/multiverse i386 Packages [2,638 B]
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/main TranslationIndex
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/multiverse TranslationIndex
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/restricted TranslationIndex
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/universe TranslationIndex
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/main Translation-en
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/multiverse Translation-en
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/restricted Translation-en
> Get:13 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/restricted Sources [8,056 B]
> Get:14 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/universe Sources [110 kB]
> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com precise-security/universe Translation-en
> Ign http://archive.canonical.com precise/partner Translation-en_US
> Ign http://archive.canonical.com precise/partner Translation-en
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Sources
> 404 Not Found
> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main i386 Packages
> 404 Not Found
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Translation-en_US
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Translation-en
> Get:15 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/restricted i386 Packages [13.7 kB]
> Get:16 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/universe i386 Packages [255 kB]
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Translation-en_US
> Ign http://ppa.launchpad.net maya/main Translation-en
> Get:17 http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/multiverse i386 Packages [15.5 kB]
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/main TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/multiverse TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/restricted TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/universe TranslationIndex
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/main Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/multiverse Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/restricted Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise/universe Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/main Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/multiverse Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/restricted Translation-en
> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates/universe Translation-en
> Fetched 2,567 kB in 5s (460 kB/s)
> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'multiversedeb/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kamalmostafa/fldigi/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
>
> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-hams-updates/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maya/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
>
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
>
>

[Ed [e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 10/04/2014 11:58 PM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> What is ppa?
>
> Sent from my iPad

Ever hear of Google ?????????????????

Ed W3NR



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[David Jolley [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Why would you answer someone that way. Google isn't always an answer to everything. I'll post and talk to some one else.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/04/2014 11:58 PM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> > What is ppa?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
>
> Ever hear of Google ?????????????????
>
> Ed W3NR
>
>

['Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF]' peter-pvHko7nTzl9knbxzx/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

[Larry DiGioia n8ku-b2rNdqnAlKpWk0Htik3J/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

I think it is useful to discuss - When should we "Google," and when
should we "ask the list?"

Before starting a new message on a support mailing list, I always ask
myself -

1.) Are there any instructions?
2.) Have I actually read them?
3.) Do I have a suitable test environment to try stuff out?

Then -

4.) Is it something that lots of people may have already ran into?

If so, I absolutely will Google it. First thing to check for in results
- is the answer from 5 years ago, or a relatively recent/current
version? Is the answer from a recognized support forum, or just a guess
from an individual? Is the answer actually for my OS and/or distribution?

It's good to remember that the archives of this list, and usually "the
instructions," are on line and available, and should turn up in Google
results anyway.

If I get no satisfaction, then -

5.) [ on Linuxham ] Is this really a question about Linux, or the Linux
version of a ham radio utility?

6.) Has it likely been asked before? If so, see #4

7.) Is this likely something that only developers can fix?

Larry N8KU


On 10/05/2014 06:50 AM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> Why would you answer someone that way. Google isn't always an answer
> to everything. I'll post and talk to some one else.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org
> <mailto:autek-***@public.gmane.org> [linuxham] <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org
> <mailto:linuxham-***@public.gmane.org>> wrote:
>
>> On 10/04/2014 11:58 PM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org
>> <mailto:k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org> [linuxham] wrote:
>> > What is ppa?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Ever hear of Google ?????????????????
>>
>> Ed W3NR
>>
>


--
"When people are free to do as they please,
they usually imitate each other."

Eric Hoffer

[David Cole [e-mail] [linuxham]]

When one starts seeing:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+to+google+or+ask+a+mail+list

as the answer, or something involving the lmgtfy.com domain, it could be
considered that one should have Goggled the question first... Or the
person answering is short on patience...
--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 07:44 -0400, Larry DiGioia n8ku-b2rNdqnAlKpWk0Htik3J/***@public.gmane.org
[linuxham] wrote:
>
>
> I think it is useful to discuss - When should we "Google," and when
> should we "ask the list?"
>
> Before starting a new message on a support mailing list, I always ask
> myself -
>
> 1.) Are there any instructions?
> 2.) Have I actually read them?
> 3.) Do I have a suitable test environment to try stuff out?
>
> Then -
>
> 4.) Is it something that lots of people may have already ran into?
>
> If so, I absolutely will Google it. First thing to check for in
> results - is the answer from 5 years ago, or a relatively
> recent/current version? Is the answer from a recognized support forum,
> or just a guess from an individual? Is the answer actually for my OS
> and/or distribution?
>
> It's good to remember that the archives of this list, and usually "the
> instructions," are on line and available, and should turn up in Google
> results anyway.
>
> If I get no satisfaction, then -
>
> 5.) [ on Linuxham ] Is this really a question about Linux, or the
> Linux version of a ham radio utility?
>
> 6.) Has it likely been asked before? If so, see #4
>
> 7.) Is this likely something that only developers can fix?
>
> Larry N8KU
>
>
> On 10/05/2014 06:50 AM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Why would you answer someone that way. Google isn't always an answer
> > to everything. I'll post and talk to some one else.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Ed autek-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
> > <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On 10/04/2014 11:58 PM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org
> > > [linuxham] wrote:
> > > > What is ppa?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > Ever hear of Google ?????????????????
> > >
> > > Ed W3NR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> --
> "When people are free to do as they please,
> they usually imitate each other."
>
> Eric Hoffer
>
>
>



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Posted by: David Cole <dave-***@public.gmane.org>
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[David Cole [e-mail] [linuxham]]

In re-reading that, it might be construed that it was directed at
someone, it was not, just an attempt at humor...

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+humor

--
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 05:03 -0700, David Cole dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]
wrote:
> When one starts seeing:
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=when+to+google+or+ask+a+mail+list
>
> as the answer, or something involving the lmgtfy.com domain, it could be
> considered that one should have Goggled the question first... Or the
> person answering is short on patience...



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Posted by: David Cole <dave-***@public.gmane.org>
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[Jeff Francis™ [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Hang on, let's not start a search engine war. "Googling" is now a
recognized term in English for searching, just like coke, xerox, and
kleenex are now used as generic terms for soda, photcopies, and tissue
(though Google itself tries hard to discourage it's use as such, and
Microsoft and Yahoo! certainly wouldn't support it's use). Not saying you
have to like it, but it most certainly has joined the vernacular, so
correcting people when they use it is correcting them for violating your
own personal preferences, not for correct usage of English.

I think we're all with you up to the point where the name-calling starts:
"it must be attributed to slick marketing that anyone uses the google
search engine". No need to insult anyone. If Google works for you use
it. If it doesn't, don't. Given that they own 68% of the search market
(and the number two competitor, Bing, comes in a very distant 19%), I think
it's safe to say that Googling works for most people. Anyone who reads the
news should understand the issues, both with corporate tracking as well as
US Gov't tracking, and many people have no problem with the things you've
mentioned, so long as it returns useful results (I'm not one of those
people, but again, that's personal preference). Also note that neither
duckduckgo nor ixquick are actually search engines. They are, at best,
metasearch engines. They get their results from other search engines, and
do little to no actual web-crawling, indexing, or searching in and of
themselves, in much the same way that news aggregator sites (like Google
News or Yahoo! News) pull together news articles from other people who
actually do the research and reporting. And startpage is nothing more than
an pseudo-anonymizing proxy for Google Search. If it's Google's search
results you're not happy with, startpage isn't going to help you. There's
nothing wrong with that (at least legally, else you can be certain Google's
lawyers would have shut it down long ago), but if you're going to point
people to resources, at least be up-front about what you're pointing them
to.

Once you get past Google, Yahoo!, and Bing (assuming you lump Youtube
search in with Google), the fourth most popular search engine (ask) gets
just over 2% of all search traffic. Yahoo! has, at various times done it's
own searching, as well as used Inktome, Google, and Bing as their search
back-end. They currently license Bing/Microsoft for their search results.
This leaves Google and Bing as the only two real search engines in the
marketplace (at least for non-Chinese/non-Russian speakers). One way or
another, no matter what you do, you're likely using their data for your
searches. The best you can hope for is anonymize yourself to some degree
and lessen their ability to profile, track, and categorize you, and to that
extent, sites like startpage are probably somewhat useful (though probably
not as useful as proper use of Tor). When using sites like startpage as a
way to avoid tracking and monitoring, remember that they're prohibited by
law from disclosing any federal (NSA) monitoring they might be aware of in
their network or datacenters, so their "no tracking" claims are likely not
worth the pixels they're written with. At best, "no tracking" means "no
corporate tracking". Today, the search engine market is for all practical
purposes, a duopoly, like it or not. You can either accept that and use
it, or do your best to hide down in the noise, but you can never truly
escape the gaze of Google/Microsoft (and by extension, the gov't) without
dropping off the grid entirely.

I'm with you on the privacy/freedom front 100%. But before you can fight
that battle, you have to understand the enemy. Today, that enemy owns
approximately 96% of the market overtly, and probably most of the other 4%
covertly (again, excluding Chinese and Russian search, which I assume are
not the point of this conversation). None of the three alternatives you
listed change that, as they're not truly alternatives, they're just a false
happy face plastered over the sad one. There is no escape from having your
searches tracked. If you're very very careful, though, it's often possible
to avoid their ability to link your searches with you, as a specific
person. But that takes skill and discipline that most of us don't have
(just a discussion of "proper use of tor" alone could take up half an
encyclopedia volume).

I guess my point is, if Googling works for you, then google. Or use
startpage if it makes you feel a little safer. Just be mindful what you
search for. The alternatives at this point are simply not practical for
most people.

Jeff N0GQ


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:26 AM, 'qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org' qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] <
linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
>
> One does not "google" one uses a Search Engine to Search.
>
> Google is merely one org offering a Search Engine and
> theirs has a poor reputation for manipulating results
> & they have a poor corporate reputation for invasion of
> privacy.
>
> Given the fine alternatives it must be attributed to
> slick marketing that anyone uses the google search
> engine.
>
> Alternatives include ...
>
> ixquick.com
> startpage.com
> duckduckgo.com
>
> ... and many others.
>
> In these days of increased Orwellian invasion of privacy
> and attacks on freedom we all need to learn to think
> outside the corporate/government box.
>
> IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E
>
> > I think it is useful to discuss - When should we "Google," and when
> > should we "ask the list?"
>
> --
>
> David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA
>
> Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com
>
> Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
> Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
> Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/
>
> Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22
>
>



--
-=jeff=-

['qrv-JH0e/[e-mail]' qrv-JH0e/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

You may be OK with a billion dollar corporate enemy of freedom and
privacy buying their way into your dictionary - I am not.

Search engines are just that.

Google will always = a bad actor in technology for me.

It's not "name-calling" to state facts. Google has been successfully
prosecuted across the world, a major google player used to boast
about their intentions, & they've recently admitted multiple
invasions of privacy via people's private routers, etc.

Facts are facts - even when many people reap small profits from
fringe association with an irresponsible corporation. This is
historically how feudal-fascists controlled the peasants - buy
enough of them off to compromise the rest.

Freedom is lost one compromise at a time.

People are finally waking up ... I hope.

IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E

> Hang on, let's not start a search engine war. "Googling" is now a
> recognized term in English for searching, just like coke, xerox, and
> kleenex are now used as generic terms for soda, photcopies, and tissue



--

David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA

Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com

Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/

Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22


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[Jeff Francis [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Sigh. You missed the entire point of what I wrote.

-=Jeff=-

> On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:07 AM, 'qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org' qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> You may be OK with a billion dollar corporate enemy of freedom and
> privacy buying their way into your dictionary - I am not.
>
> Search engines are just that.
>
> Google will always = a bad actor in technology for me.
>
> It's not "name-calling" to state facts. Google has been successfully
> prosecuted across the world, a major google player used to boast
> about their intentions, & they've recently admitted multiple
> invasions of privacy via people's private routers, etc.
>
> Facts are facts - even when many people reap small profits from
> fringe association with an irresponsible corporation. This is
> historically how feudal-fascists controlled the peasants - buy
> enough of them off to compromise the rest.
>
> Freedom is lost one compromise at a time.
>
> People are finally waking up ... I hope.
>
> IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E
>
> > Hang on, let's not start a search engine war. "Googling" is now a
> > recognized term in English for searching, just like coke, xerox, and
> > kleenex are now used as generic terms for soda, photcopies, and tissue
>
> --
>
> David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA
>
> Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com
>
> Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
> Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
> Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/
>
> Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22
>

[Michael Robinson mlrobinson1953-/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

Is this the BEST use we have for email and/or forums? Geez............ Progress? Human advancement? And NONE of this crap really has ANYTHING to do with Linux or Linuxham!

'Nuf said.



On Sunday, October 5, 2014 12:07 PM, "'qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org' qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham]" <linuxham-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:




You may be OK with a billion dollar corporate enemy of freedom and
privacy buying their way into your dictionary - I am not.

Search engines are just that.

Google will always = a bad actor in technology for me.

It's not "name-calling" to state facts. Google has been successfully
prosecuted across the world, a major google player used to boast
about their intentions, & they've recently admitted multiple
invasions of privacy via people's private routers, etc.

Facts are facts - even when many people reap small profits from
fringe association with an irresponsible corporation. This is
historically how feudal-fascists controlled the peasants - buy
enough of them off to compromise the rest.

Freedom is lost one compromise at a time.

People are finally waking up ... I hope.

IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E

> Hang on, let's not start a search engine war. "Googling" is now a
> recognized term in English for searching, just like coke, xerox, and
> kleenex are now used as generic terms for soda, photcopies, and tissue

--

David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA

Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com

Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/

Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22

[Charles Brabham [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Right on the money, OM... Google is a socialist/fascist outfit, existing
almost entirely through the fascist practice of crony capitalism.

The list is here so hams can discuss and ask things of other hams. If
"Google it" is one's answer to a simple question, then I have to wonder
what one is doing here in the first place.

Directing a fellow ham to a web reference is one thing, directing them
to the hands of socialist/fascist trash who will raid their system for
personal data, invading their privacy for something to sell to
governments around the world is something else altogether.

73 DE Charles, N5PVL


On 10/5/2014 12:07 PM, 'qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org' qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
>
> You may be OK with a billion dollar corporate enemy of freedom and
> privacy buying their way into your dictionary - I am not.
>
> Search engines are just that.
>
> Google will always = a bad actor in technology for me.
>
> It's not "name-calling" to state facts. Google has been successfully
> prosecuted across the world, a major google player used to boast
> about their intentions, & they've recently admitted multiple
> invasions of privacy via people's private routers, etc.
>
> Facts are facts - even when many people reap small profits from
> fringe association with an irresponsible corporation. This is
> historically how feudal-fascists controlled the peasants - buy
> enough of them off to compromise the rest.
>
> Freedom is lost one compromise at a time.
>
> People are finally waking up ... I hope.
>
> IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E
>
> > Hang on, let's not start a search engine war. "Googling" is now a
> > recognized term in English for searching, just like coke, xerox, and
> > kleenex are now used as generic terms for soda, photcopies, and tissue
>
> --
>
> David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA
>
> Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com
>
> Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
> Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
> Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/
>
> Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22
>
>

[[e-mail] [linuxham]]

This thread has nothing to do with the goals of the "linuxham" group. Please desist, find another forum, or remove yourselvs from membership ... your choice for now.

Thanks.

Dave, W1HKJ
group owner

[Jeff Francis [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Sorry, mom.

-=Jeff=-

> On Oct 5, 2014, at 3:20 PM, w1hkj-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] <***@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> This thread has nothing to do with the goals of the "linuxham" group. Please desist, find another forum, or remove yourselvs from membership ... your choice for now.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dave, W1HKJ
> group owner
>
>

['qrv-JH0e/[e-mail]' qrv-JH0e/[e-mail] [linuxham]]

One does not "google" one uses a Search Engine to Search.

Google is merely one org offering a Search Engine and
theirs has a poor reputation for manipulating results
& they have a poor corporate reputation for invasion of
privacy.

Given the fine alternatives it must be attributed to
slick marketing that anyone uses the google search
engine.

Alternatives include ...

ixquick.com
startpage.com
duckduckgo.com

... and many others.

In these days of increased Orwellian invasion of privacy
and attacks on freedom we all need to learn to think
outside the corporate/government box.

IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E

> I think it is useful to discuss - When should we "Google," and when
> should we "ask the list?"


--

David Colburn, KD4E - Nevils, Georgia USA

Safe & Secure Search Engine: duckduckgo.com

Android for Hams: groups.yahoo.com/group/hamdroid
Creative Tech: groups.yahoo.com/group/ham-macguyver
Raspi Alternative: groups.yahoo.com/group/beagleboneblack/

Restored to design-spec at Heaven's gate 1Cor15:22


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[David Cole [e-mail] [linuxham]]

Bzzzzt: Wrong
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/googling

--
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On Sun, 2014-10-05 at 11:26 -0400, 'qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org' qrv-JH0e/***@public.gmane.org
[linuxham] wrote:
> One does not "google" one uses a Search Engine to Search.
>
> Google is merely one org offering a Search Engine and
> theirs has a poor reputation for manipulating results
> & they have a poor corporate reputation for invasion of
> privacy.
>
> Given the fine alternatives it must be attributed to
> slick marketing that anyone uses the google search
> engine.
>
> Alternatives include ...
>
> ixquick.com
> startpage.com
> duckduckgo.com
>
> ... and many others.
>
> In these days of increased Orwellian invasion of privacy
> and attacks on freedom we all need to learn to think
> outside the corporate/government box.
>
> IMHO, YMMV ... David KD4E
>
> > I think it is useful to discuss - When should we "Google," and when
> > should we "ask the list?"
>
>



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[Ed [e-mail] [linuxham]]

On 10/05/2014 06:50 AM, David Jolley k7dv.dave-***@public.gmane.org [linuxham] wrote:
> Why would you answer someone that way. Google isn't always an answer
> to everything. I'll post and talk to some one else.
>
> Sent from my iPad

Then you would find an explanation and learn how a ppa works.

> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them

> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Package_Archive


Ed W3NR


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